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Thank you for snipping your post and for not top posting. What’s not true? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > — > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > > with guest star > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > > WORLD PREMIERE > > From homeless to World Famous > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > > like it or not. > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > > this is your ceo speaking… > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the > dog) > > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by > accident. > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > > work? > > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > > > desire. > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > > > device; > > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off > the > > > > $99.95 price. > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the > dogs > > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he > will > > > > sell > > > > it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > > > at all about money. Nice, nice man. > > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > > > Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. > > > > George > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > > > collars. > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > > > yard. > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > > > walk around the yard. > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > > The price was too high:-( > > > > > ~misty > > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could > have > > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started > using > > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once > I > > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A > Wits > > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > > > companion and friend. > > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > > > his last gasp. > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > > good behavior.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > — > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > > with guest star > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > > WORLD PREMIERE > > From homeless to World Famous > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every > > behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the > > world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > > this is your ceo speaking… > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid > > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that > > > > he is. He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his > > > > training discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know > > > > if he’s an abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog > > > > lovers won’t talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions > > > > without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like > > > > tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, > > > > and HOWE that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD > > > > masturbation habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his > > > > behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic > > > > behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t > > > > mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned > > > > throat when her dog discovered that she’d been jerking and > > > > choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" > > > > and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > > work? > > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied > > > > my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have > > > > NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or choke their Wits’ > > > > End Trained Dog. > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire. > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority > > > > complexes, and weak minds. > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the > > > > "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I > > > > sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to > > > > quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal > > > > present for them – and he will sell it at a discount. He sounds > > > > like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money. > > > > Nice, nice man. > > > > now have four locations at which the thing has worked, so I > > > > recommend it. > > > > Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. > > > > George > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, > > > > > Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk > > > > > around the yard. > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > > The price was too high:-( ~misty > > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s > > > > > not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her > > > > > loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of > > > > > how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that > > > > > my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not > > > > > wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main > > > > > concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how > > > > > to keep them from running off for days on end. > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the > > > > > anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> > > > > > A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, > > > > > doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all > > > > > the time. IOW a great companion and friend. > > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come > > > > > > forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn > > > > > for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile > > > > > crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last > > > > > gasp. > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > > good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide > > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > > > their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
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Not true, eddie w of pet loss dot CON? Tell us about koehler being the greatest trainer in the world, and my students and customers being all liars sock puppets and paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers? > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > not true
You callin these good people liars, mr smegma pedophile NAMBLA? Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner Brevard Co FL, writes: Hi Jerry, I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today. Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and time was just not available for anything else. Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider "public information." Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this email. I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his reward offer in the first place. I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic vet that I go to and he is also interested. In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his opinions or reward. The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I am involved with animals and have very little time to play games with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not believe in it. Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as did Mark Shaw’s last email to me. Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down. Elaine Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable reinforcement? Yours, Jerry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money. Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. George Hi Jerry, I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very highly of it. So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So, I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation. So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air! I started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation. I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect. Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house and if she would notice 
I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it. So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so many new ones coming and (too few) going. Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I would think it would be right up her alley. Thank you. Desiree M Webber A New Leash On Life BIOSOUND Scientific Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) The Little Black Box That Cures Animal’s Annoying Habits Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding my Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) device. We had been out of stock but are now shipping immediately. There are special rebates available for humane societies, rescue organizations, and anyone working with rescue regardless of affiliation with a bona-fide shelter organization. INDEED, I DO make EXTRAORDINARY claims regarding my Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine, and I BACK IT UP with my UNCONDITIONAL 100% money back SATISFACTION GUARANTEE FOREVER, including paid return shipping and two year full, free repair/replace warranty. Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) costs $99.95 plus $7.50 S&H total $107.45 in US (other countries shipping varies). Shipping at this time will be immediate. You can order on our secure order page on the net at http://www.doggydoright.com, by phone at 1888BIOSOUND, or US Post. Visa, MasterCard, personal and electronic checks are accepted. Prices including shipping will increase 25% May 25 2002 but rest assured, my 100% money back satisfaction guarantee with paid return shipping will NEVER change. Your animal’s happiness and your satisfaction are paramount to me. I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior problems for forty years and share my knowledge freely. Just ask me if you have ANY animal behavior questions or would like the latest edition of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. Do not confuse the DDR machine with my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, they are two separate entities. Their only commonality is they each validate the other. They both employ non force scientific and psychological techniques I’ve developed and relied on over my forty years specializing in animal temperament and behavior problems in mostly giant breed and protection trained dogs. The DDR requires NO study or special knowledge or ability to use. If your veterinarian or behaviorist have questions about my BIOSOUND Scientific technology or any of my training advice I’ll be happy to talk to them. I’m available on my toll free 1-888-BIOSOUND phone line 24/7. Pick up the phone and call me right now to speak to the inventor and trainer. My BIOSOUND Scientific
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > Watch your crossposting!! > And your TOP POSTING!!! > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > — > this is michael > reporting live… > http://dogtv.com > with guest star > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > WORLD PREMIERE > From homeless to World Famous > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > like it or not. > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > this is your ceo speaking… > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the > dog) > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by > accident. > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > work? > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > > desire. > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > > —– Original Message —– > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > > device; > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off > the > > > $99.95 price. > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the > dogs > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he > will > > > sell > > > it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > > at all about money. Nice, nice man. > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > > Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. > > > George > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > > collars. > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > > yard. > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > > walk around the yard. > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > The price was too high:-( > > > > ~misty > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could > have > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started > using > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once > I > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A > Wits > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > > companion and friend. > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > > his last gasp. > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > > their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > > > lived by their craft for decades. > > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > > > level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that > > > > people like Jerry Howe and
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The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Watch your crossposting!! > And your TOP POSTING!!! > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > — > this is michael > reporting live… > http://dogtv.com > with guest star > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > WORLD PREMIERE > From homeless to World Famous > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > like it or not. > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > this is your ceo speaking… > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > work? > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > dog DEAD for her. > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > desire. > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > —– Original Message —– > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > device; > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > > $99.95 price. > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > > sell > > it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > at all about money. Nice, nice man. > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. > > George > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > collars. > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > yard. > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > walk around the yard. > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > The price was too high:-( > > > ~misty > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > companion and friend. > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > his last gasp. > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > > lived by their craft for decades. > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > > level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that > > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > > > just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you > > > act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > > > box. > > > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You > > > would never
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Watch your crossposting!! And your TOP POSTING!!! And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > that’ll poison proof a dog? > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > with allelomimetic behavior? > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > work? > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > dog DEAD for her. > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > desire. > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > an effective correction using fear force or repression > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > —– Original Message —– > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > device; > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > $99.95 price. > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > sell > it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > at all about money. Nice, nice man. > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. > George > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > collars. > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > yard. > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > walk around the yard. > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > The price was too high:-( > > ~misty > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > them from running off for days on end. > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > companion and friend. > > Thanks Jerry! > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > Robert Crim writes: > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > his last gasp. > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > lived by their craft for decades. > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > > just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you > > act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > > box. > > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You > > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > > > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > > > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > > > him! LOL! > > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. > > >Terri > > Yes it was, and that is sad. > > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > > first?) > "Anthony Testa"
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Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > that’ll poison proof a dog? > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > with allelomimetic behavior? > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > work? > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > dog DEAD for her. > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > desire. > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > an effective correction using fear force or repression > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > —– Original Message —– > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > $99.95 price. > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > sell > it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > at all about money. Nice, nice man. > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. > George > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you > act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. > >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife > < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM > I
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He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE that’ll poison proof a dog? Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that with allelomimetic behavior? Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t work? Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders directly attributable to so called traditional training. roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her dog DEAD for her. Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. My students get 100% total non force control in days. Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT PRAISE and DISTRACTION. My methods work like MAGICK and all my students achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire. Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts are prima fascia evidence. My students do not hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give an effective correction using fear force or repression that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority complexes, and weak minds. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money. Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this. George > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you > act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM I just wanted to take a bit of time to tell you how much I appreciate your product and your training methods as well. When my little Chihuahua first arrived I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and her ability to just Bark endlessly. I received your product and at first I thought I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it. But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably as well as act more friendly towards people on the street. I can’t believe the difference I see in my little puppy. Your product is a life saver! Thanks again for everything. Sincerely, Regina Guerrero
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