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Hello People, FIGURE IT OUT: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Tittle Moore) writes: >>If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by itself it is not forcing >>the dog [...]? > Selective editing, because I’m not at all interested in the "win- > lose game" aspect you keep belabouring: This part caught my > eye. When doing a conditioned retrieve, every step of the way > is all about getting *the dog itself* to choose each time. If *you* > are the one to open the mouth, drag the dog over to the > dumbbell, push it in the mouth, and so on, you are not teaching > the dog anything. Obviously the meaning of force has a much > wider application than the narrow definition you forced it into. It > is a very complex concept, which is perhaps why people get so > hung up over it. > I have not been able to follow this entire thread, but I would like > to comment on the "force" issue. As a behaviorist, I don’t believe > that there is "free will" or "choice" which determines behavior. > From my philosophical standpoint all behavior is forced or > determined. In some cases the force is quite clear as when > presenting an eliciting stimulus which immediately elicits a > response (such as shining a light into a mammal’s eye and the > pupil contracts) and in other cases the force is quite obscure (as > when your dog gets up off the floor, jumps on the couch, and > settles at your side). > In the method I posted for training a retrieve, it is true that I opened > my dog’s mouth and I understand why compared to other > methods, like the one that accompanied my post by Diane > Blackman, people could describe what I did as using force. But > again, from my standpoint, all behavior is forced; from my > standpoint volition is an illusion. As Cindy, cogently noted above, > "force" is a difficult concept to address. > My point here is that any such discussion involves deep > philosophical and religious issues. > For any training procedure we should ask: > 1) effectiveness–does it work? > 2) efficiency–does it work quickly and with minimal resources? > 3) relationship–does it strengthen or weaken the extent our > pet/friends will bond with us? [That's why we > try to almost always use positive reinforcement > rather than punishement.] > Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always considers 3) > whereas we sceptics always consider 1) and 2). 
> –Marshall
O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high wire act, performed without a safety net… Let’s have a go at it, shall we? I’m going to explain a couple of things to you that I’d kind of like you to keep in mind, even though you probably won’t understand what it is that I’m saying. Otherwise, you’d have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would have been obvious to you, had you read my manual. Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always considers 3)" This con man is so smart, he’s going to put himself out of business, by giving away free training information that will obviate the need for his machine and cost him sales, in many cases? Good competition is good for business, so why not compete with my own interests? I’d have a hard time finding a more worthy adversary. Wouldn’t you agree? The motivation for such a poor business decision isn’t sheer stupidity, doc, it is indeed, number three. As a simple, uneducated professional dog trainer, doc, I’m very aware of the urgent need to bring harmony to dogs’ and their people’s lives. I realize the need for people to improve the quality of their and their dogs’ lives, through learning proper handling and training techniques. Dogs’ lives are at stake here, doc… As a professional dog trainer, doc, I don’t settle for second rate advice for my dogs or my students. There is no excuse for anything less than excellence in one’s field, especially my fields of expertise… Wouldn’t you agree professor? 1) effectiveness–does it work? The methods in my manual doc, are scientifically and psychologically based. The techniques are precise, and the results are repeatable consistently, on any dog, even wolves. The effects happen almost instantly, certainly within three or four repetitions, if done correctly. Many other animals can be handled the same way (my rats would come when called, and no, I didn’t use food bribes on them either), all you gotta do is be bright enough, observant enough, and be accurate in your timing, to use the tools properly. A five year old child could do it, with a little help from mommy. You’d have been able to learn a lot from reading my text, doc. You would have learned by now (after wasting eight months), that the Wits’ End Dog Training Method has as much to do with family, as it does with training dogs. There is little difference between properly raising a child, and properly raising a dog. The ideology taught in the manual applies to your kids, your wife, and anybody important in your life. The concepts of respect and consideration as taught in my manual, will have significant inferences on the way we raise our children, work, think, live, govern ourselves, and will positively impact our society and eventually the entire world. The Wits’ End Method is not just a HOWE to manual, it was written to make you THINK! Think about what you are doing with your dogs, kid, mates, employers, employees, co-workers, neighbors, government, and the entire world. 2) efficiency–does it work quickly and with minimal resources? Even better than that, doc. It’ FREE! And no other method works as quickly and effortlessly. Why don’t I just sit down, write a book and send it out to an editor, and put in some old photos, and sell it and get fat? For one thing, doc, I don’t need to get fat. My machine will make me fatter than you could ever conceive of. The information in my manual is unsurpassed, and cannot wait for me to polish it up and do it up so you can say it looks pretty and reads like Louisa May Alcott wrote it. All the information is in there, it’s solid and vital, and timely… 3) relationship–does it strengthen or weaken the extent our pet/friends will bond with us? [That's why we try to almost always use positive reinforcement rather than punishement.] Number three, (of course?), needs no further explanation, doc, cause you already agree that it is important. That’s where you are dead wrong, once again, doc. Just because you agree with the point, does not mean you understand why it is important. You still qualify "always use positive reinforcement," by preceding it with "try to almost." That’s because of your limited appreciation and tremendous misunderstanding of what is really happening. You are like a recalcitrant little child, doc. That’s why I’m here, and you’re there. Here’s what you fail to understand. The fundamentals of properly handling and training a dog are not whether we can make the dog stop jumping, or teach him to heel. The first point that must be considered is the holistic concept, does the dog want to work with us. Why does he want to work? He must want to work because he enjoys your company, because of the quality of the bond you’ve formed, because YOU asked him. What is MOST IMPORTANT, is what we need to accomplish in the big picture, not the micro aspects of stopping the dog from peeing on the floor. You people get so goal oriented, you focus on the pp on the floor, instead of trying to address the true reason the pp is there. When you do try to figure it out, you only go one level up: too much water, didn’t walk him in time, never thinking about what may really be causing the problem. Or, you go one level down: should have crated him, should have kept him restricted. You’re missing the boat. Usually stress, and anxiety, and negative attention getting devices, are the cause, and the reason they exist in the dog, is primarily mishandling and miscommunication, and lack of patience, anger, and frustration, and the negative methods of communication you all endorse and use, even ever so slightly. I’ve been hurt more from a harsh word from a lover, that from any man or beast who has ever thumped me. Sure, I get lots of people that ask me, "Jerry, howe come you won’t just tell me howe to get my dog not to pee on the floor? My answer is inspired, and won’t allow me to bastardize it to make life simple for someone who will otherwise never learn the difference between right and wrong in the handling and management of their dogs. This kind of people, good people just like yourself, doc, will never develop their necessary and proper potential as appropriate dog owners and trainers, until they are taught the very basics of proper handling, to effect the macro of their relationship with their dog. I’ll be dealing with this in the retrieve thread, so be there, or be square… I could give tips all day long to help solve behavior problems. That will put a finger in the dike, but other problems will keep popping up in their place, because the dog never quite learns, because he’s dealing with freaking morons like you, doc. It seems that when you got to the point in my manual where I criticized the universities and behaviorists for having failed us, and paraphrased the following quote, is when I lost you. Not surprising, doc. That’s exactly why it was there, to separate the wheat from the chaff in this dog behavior news group. I wrote the entire manual specifically for this group, because of the desperate need for decent dog training information that was previously nonexistent here. I’ve been around these guys patching up their wounded dogs all my life, doc, and I’m sick of it. That’s why I’m here, to facilitate some long overdue changes in the dog training industry. … read more »
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Hello People, A friend of mine got a new dog last week and encountered a couple small behavior problems, like taking the fish food off the table, eating the kitty food, some chewing and separation anxiety, little things like that. So, the first thing I ask is "did you do the Family Leadership Exercise and does he come everytime you ask?" Well, the first thing they says is "what’s come got to do with it," which immediately tells me NO, they AIN’T got the come command installed properly… So I sez "you got to get the come command installed, that’ll increase his sense of security and the separation anxiety will go away." And my friend asks "HOWE COME?" And my answer is "because it says so in the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual…" Relationship is EVERYTHING. Here’s a couple quotes from our dog abusing lying Thug pals: "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive" amy "Get A 30"- 40" Stick. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand," dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." And here’s one from me: !CAUTION! Dog abusing lying Thugs. Enter at your own peril! You are responsible for your own loss of credibility and damages to careers and reputations resultant from being exposed and discredited. Proceed at your own risk. This is a violence free zone. Violators will be subject to prolonged emotional, social and professional punishment and will be pursued to the gates of Heel and kept within under guard of a Wits’ End Trained Dog. And here’s a couple quotes from my students:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the > literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make > the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by > taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup > got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. > That’s why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits’ End Dog > Training > manual — that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. > The core takeaway I got from Jerry’s manual is this: make yourself > the center of your puppy’s world — his personal Lord Jesus. Never > give him a reason to fear you or think you’re angry. Love the heck > out of him, and you’ll end up with a great dog. > This has truly worked with my puppy. She’ll do anything I want > her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, > and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship > with me. > Charlie
> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, > two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back > in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t > come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. > She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces > her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the > road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes > when we walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence > and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to > train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my > dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( > ~misty
CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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