Not having to duck the flamethrowers? OT
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>If you’re feeling really lonely, maybe someone on here could write >you a really "crisp your hair" type of flame message…. ;-)
Uh oh… But I wasn’t looking for trouble… Just wondering how I managed to dodge the bullets. But thanks for the offer, I’m sure my hair would be quite crispy. :-) Christy — Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Albert Einstein
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Hello lia, > Feeling left out?
Whew! I’d say LUCKY, ‘cept I don’t believe in LUCK. > Need to be flamed to feel one of the gang?
WHY would anyone want to be one of this Gang Of Thugs? > Not to worry. People don’t generally flame me either,
That’s because you don’t deserve second notice. > and I have perfectly terrible social skills.
Well, this is dog behavior. The upper limits of our social skills are pretty muchsniffing ears and behinds and trying not to get jerked and shocked and choked for saying hullo or for just being a dog. > At least, I think they don’t flame me,
Beause you don’t have the savvy to bother flaming you. It’d be like throwing a match in the lake. > but I killfile on the slightest provocation so I wouldn’t know.
EXACTLY. You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, lia. Remember mumsy telling you that? > It might be luck.
No. I think it’s moore like when we read stuff like your "1 step forward" post, we just cringe and pray for Cubbe’s early demise from natural causes. She doesn’t deserve the kind of torment you’ve put her through since you killfiled me on my first post to you two years ago. Now your dog Cubbe has snapped at a child because you continue to shock her despite that she’s already shown aggression towards you. > It might be that our resident trolls are having a bad day.
It might be that there’s moore important posters to discredit? > Either way, get the advice and entertainment from the group that > you want,
Yeah. Read about Fritz and Sampson. Then read lyindogDUMMY and some lying"I LOVE KOEHLER,"lynn. Most of our Gang Of Thugs are devout koehler trainers. > and ignore everything else.
Yeah. That’s the way it works for you, lia. Cubbe is going to pay for your lack of intelligence. > I do that and find that I learn a lot.
Yeah. See the thread "1 step forward." > –Lia Rober Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box.
I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL!
I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) END OF POST
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>Am I doing something right?
Yup. Respond to what you can contribute to. It may be advice, it may be something that can relieve some tension. Ignore the bad stuff. Sometimes you’ve got to fight back, but make it a clean fight. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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Feeling left out? Need to be flamed to feel one of the gang? Not to worry. People don’t generally flame me either, and I have perfectly terrible social skills. At least, I think they don’t flame me, but I killfile on the slightest provocation so I wouldn’t know. It might be luck. It might be that our resident trolls are having a bad day. Either way, get the advice and entertainment from the group that you want, and ignore everything else. I do that and find that I learn a lot. –Lia — "It is a strange fact of life on earth that a human being who reaches college age under the impression that "it’s" is the possessive form of "it" cannot be disabused of that belief. No amount of red ink will wash it out." Louis Menand
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If you’re feeling really lonely, maybe someone on here could write you a really "crisp your hair" type of flame message…. ;-) -Lisa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there, > I have a question about my own behavior, so it is a little off-topic > for this NG, although it is kind of about the NG, so… > I have been posting here for a few weeks, not a bunch, but some. And > I have yet to be doused with gasoline and set alight (not that I want > to be) for something that I have said that someone didn’t agree with. > But I have seen lots of people get flamed pretty bad on their first > or second post, which leads to my question. > Am I doing something right? Or am I just lucky? Or do I just talk > too much and bore everyone? I am just curious, since I don’t have > the best social skills in the world, and I am trying to > train/socialize myself a little better. > I enjoy the group, by the way. I am learning a lot about both canine > and human behavior here. :-) I hope that I can contribute something > to the group as well. > Christy > — > Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail > "If we knew what we were doing, > it would not be called research, would it?" > Albert Einstein
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All in all, it’s a really fun group, Christy. :-) Everyone here really seems to care for their dog. What the problems arise from, are when people disagree and cannot agree to disagree. Not saying that is either right or wrong, since we are all human & have more faults than our canine companions! *grins* Thinking back, I don’t think I’ve ever been "flamed" either, ripped on for "details" by one or two particular people that seem to have issues with pretty much everyone, but flamed? Nope. Stick around, have fun. I figure everyday I have an opportunity to learn something new about my beloved dogs. And the day I think I know it all, is going to be a sad, sad day. Shelly, Coda & Guiness…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there, > I have a question about my own behavior, so it is a little off-topic > for this NG, although it is kind of about the NG, so… > I have been posting here for a few weeks, not a bunch, but some. And > I have yet to be doused with gasoline and set alight (not that I want > to be) for something that I have said that someone didn’t agree with. > But I have seen lots of people get flamed pretty bad on their first > or second post, which leads to my question. > Am I doing something right? Or am I just lucky? Or do I just talk > too much and bore everyone? I am just curious, since I don’t have > the best social skills in the world, and I am trying to > train/socialize myself a little better. > I enjoy the group, by the way. I am learning a lot about both canine > and human behavior here. :-) I hope that I can contribute something > to the group as well. > Christy > — > Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail > "If we knew what we were doing, > it would not be called research, would it?" > Albert Einstein
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> Hi there, > I have a question about my own behavior, so it is a little off-topic > for this NG, although it is kind of about the NG, so… > I have been posting here for a few weeks, not a bunch, but some. And > I have yet to be doused with gasoline and set alight (not that I want > to be) for something that I have said that someone didn’t agree with. > But I have seen lots of people get flamed pretty bad on their first > or second post, which leads to my question. > Am I doing something right? Or am I just lucky? Or do I just talk > too much and bore everyone? I am just curious, since I don’t have > the best social skills in the world, and I am trying to > train/socialize myself a little better.
Hmmm – took a quick look and I’d say you are "doing something right". In the first place you don’t get offended if someone contradicts or argues with you. That’s a big one. Some of the responses you get are not "flames" because you didn’t take them as "flames" – and you were right not to. The way you write your responses makes it clear that you at least think about what the other person is saying. That’s all anyone has a right to ask. They can’t demand you agree, or change your mind. You also seem to know the difference between a fact and an opinion (even if you are occasionally mistaken about your facts <g>). You write what works for you, but don’t usually load it with sideways comments about what other people do. All of us get flamed eventually. Some people are flame retardent, while others *poof* *sizzle* – in most cases it is attitude.1 > I enjoy the group, by the way. I am learning a lot about both canine > and human behavior here. :-) I hope that I can contribute something > to the group as well.
Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html "the real danger posed by the domestic dog is that its friendship threatens to dissolve or undermine the physchologial barrier that distinguished human from animal." (Elmendorf & Kroeber (1960)) as cited in "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Not having to duck the flamethrowers? OT >Hi there, >I have a question about my own behavior, so it is a little off-topic >for this NG, although it is kind of about the NG, so… >I have been posting here for a few weeks, not a bunch, but some. And >I have yet to be doused with gasoline and set alight (not that I want >to be) for something that I have said that someone didn’t agree with. >But I have seen lots of people get flamed pretty bad on their first >or second post, which leads to my question. >Am I doing something right? Or am I just lucky? Or do I just talk >too much and bore everyone? I am just curious, since I don’t have >the best social skills in the world, and I am trying to >train/socialize myself a little better. >I enjoy the group, by the way. I am learning a lot about both canine >and human behavior here. :-) I hope that I can contribute something >to the group as well. >Christy >– >Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail >"If we knew what we were doing, >it would not be called research, would it?" >Albert Einstein
Yep. Until finding this newsgroup, I never imagined that the subject of pets could such a hotbed of ideology. As you’ve discovered, we have BARF-feeders verses veterinarians, breeders verses shelters, pit-buill owners against the general public — and that’s just for starters. As the dogs themselves can never really speak up about their lives under our dominance, it’s very easy to imagine ourselves as Moses bringing truth down from the mountain. So God help you if you don’t get down on your knees like a good little doggie and gratefully lick the chicken-blood off our almighty hands.
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You’re just lucky! I hate you! You stink! (Just kidding!) — Dreamspinner3 Homepage: http://dreamspinner3.tripod.com/ ICQ: 48547727 "Apparently I’m insane. But I’m one of the happy kinds!" The views I express are my own and do not reflect those of my employer.
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>Until finding this newsgroup, I never imagined that the subject of >pets could such a hotbed of ideology. As you’ve discovered, we >have BARF-feeders verses veterinarians, breeders verses shelters, >pit-buill owners against the general public — and that’s just for >starters.
As far as I can tell, any topic can become a hotbed of ideology. I haven’t been to any gardening newsgroups, but I bet there are some people there who get pretty passionate about others who mistreat their hothouse tomatoes. :-) >As the dogs themselves can never really speak up about their lives >under our dominance, it’s very easy to imagine ourselves as Moses >bringing truth down from the mountain.
That, IMHO, is why people get so emotionally involved in some of the lines of argument here. Since the animals can’t really speak up for themselves, their well-being can only be protected by people. And if someone who really cares about animals (it seems that lots of people here are involved in rescue and see mistreated animals fairly often) sees a situation where an animal, in their view, is being harmed, they will feel compelled to speak up about it. Nothing is wrong with that… I was prepared for it, actually, before I even checked out the NG. I used to work with horses, and if you think that dog people defend their philosophies to the hilt… :-) Christy — Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Albert Einstein
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Hi there, I have a question about my own behavior, so it is a little off-topic for this NG, although it is kind of about the NG, so… I have been posting here for a few weeks, not a bunch, but some. And I have yet to be doused with gasoline and set alight (not that I want to be) for something that I have said that someone didn’t agree with. But I have seen lots of people get flamed pretty bad on their first or second post, which leads to my question. Am I doing something right? Or am I just lucky? Or do I just talk too much and bore everyone? I am just curious, since I don’t have the best social skills in the world, and I am trying to train/socialize myself a little better. I enjoy the group, by the way. I am learning a lot about both canine and human behavior here. :-) I hope that I can contribute something to the group as well. Christy — Remove SPAMMENOT to e-mail "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Albert Einstein
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